Tribeca Film Festival upped the proverbial ante for other film festivals by adding in 2 new presentations for those not able to head to NYC to attend this noted film festival, headed in part by Robert DiNiro. An abbreviated version of this post was featured first on Blogcritics.org. Here you will find the complete transcript and the entire podcast.
Not only did TFF have the tradtional red carpet premieres and parties, but they also launched TFF Virtual which was the virtual online version of being part of the TFF as it happened, live on-line for red carpet arrivals, film screenings and also round-table interviews with an array of directors, writers and actors. Sponsored by American Express, it offered those not in NY or in the US the ability to be part of the action.
Pushing the proverbial film envelope even further, AMEX and TFF decided to offer the TFF On Demand. A select group of films, plus red carpet segments along with film-maker interviews are offered to the public and are expected to reach more than 40 million households through partnerships with leading cable, satellite and telecom providers including Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon FiOS and Amazon.com on-demand. The titles will be available on a Tribeca-branded menu for a minimum of 60 days. What’s interesting is that you can see select short “featurettes” free on Amazon.com which allows you some insight into the TFF as well as into the film. Love the entire concept that has been worked out and really “rocks the house” in a brand new way.
I was invited to participate in the roundtable interview of director, actor, & writer Ed Burns whose movie “Nice Guy Johnny” was the premiere film of the TFF (but is not available on demand!). Here is an complete transcript for you to view and the podcast embed of the interview — though I did miss the first 1.5 people in the interview queue.
Moderator Stefan Blitz, please tell us your site and proceed with your question.
S. Blitz Hi, I’m Stefan Blitz from ForcesofGeek.com.
My first question is do you think if you had made The Brothers McMullen today it would find the same success that it did at Sundance or do you think that the independent film market and audience has changed too drastically?
E. Burns There is no shot we would be as successful today. I can’t speak to whether or not it would play at Sundance. When we submitted it to Sundance 16 years ago it had gotten rejected from every other film festival as not being edgy enough. We just kind of got lucky by the time it got around to Sundance because we were sort of coming out of the post Reservoir Dogs as the major sort of indie film influence. There was this glut of like Tarantino rip-off films and the kind of pendulum had just swung back the other way that the timing was kind of right for Brothers McMullen. I definitely benefited from that.
As far as, let’s say we were lucky enough, we get into Sundance, it gets picked up for distribution, it’s interesting. I don’t even know that we would get picked up for distribution. I can’t remember the last film that I saw – an indie film that got picked up and was given a real theatrical release that had a completely unknown cast.
Back then you had Slacker and then after Slacker you had Metropolitan and then you had Clerks and then you had McMullen but after that you don’t see too many of those. I definitely have not seen any in the last couple of years. I’d say, maybe – remember that film Primer?
Maybe that’s the last one that comes to mind. Maybe not.
S. Blitz Well, one thing I’ve always liked about your work is that it is about real people and relationships, which is in many ways an antithesis to much of what’s out there. What movies have had the greatest influence on you and your work?
E. Burns I mean by far Woody Allen, the major influence, and primarily his films that deal with just that. A film like Hannah and Her Sisters; Crimes and Misdemeanors, Husbands and Wives; when he’s dealing with people and how we deal with one another.
A big film for me when I was in film school was Marty based on the Paddy Chayefsky play. The Last Picture Show, that Peter Bogdanovich film. Truffaut was a big influence on me; Louis Malle. Those filmmakers that dealt with real people in a pretty honest way. That’s what I’ve been trying to do and I think even when I look at my films, when I get away from that is when the films don’t work.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Russell Trunk,
R. Trunk Yes, I’m from ExclusiveMagazine.com,
R. Trunk So now, this film is fundamentally, of course, about the cost of pursuing your dream at all costs and subsequently being asked to give up on said very same dream. In reflection, at any point in your life, have you yourself ever been asked to give up on a dream of any kind, at any age?
E. Burns I am 26 years old, I’ve already shot and cut Brothers McMullen, I’ve submitted it to a number of festivals, producers, agents, distribution companies, and I have a stack of rejection letters to show for it. I’m $25,000 in debt.
My mother comes to me one day and says, “If you’re willing to get a haircut, I will buy you a suit and then you can go get a real job.” Thank God, I did not take her up on that deal because six months later the film got into Sundance and all that. That conversation with my mother definitely was at the forefront of my mind as I was writing this film.
R. Trunk Talking about Brothers McMullen 15 years ago, and 15 years of movies in between, the camera work, the directing that you do, how has it changed from that very first time behind the camera to now?
And indeed, the camera work, are you involved in behind-the-scenes for American Empire or Prince of Providence?
E. Burns I am not involved with American Empire. Prince of Providence, my friend Michael Corrente, has been trying to get that film together for a while so if he ever does that would be terrific.
The camera work in McMullen was as basic as it gets. Again, we had a three man crew, no dolly, no steady cam and it was just about trying to get that story captured on film. We weren’t thinking about moving in the camera, we weren’t thinking about shots because I knew going in there is no way I can compete with Hollywood on that level.
If I try and do a more complicated shot or spend a lot of time trying to light something in a very specific way, it’s going to look like what it would be the poor man’s version of it. What we did on that film was just, all right, let’s focus on these characters and the acting and try and make this as honest a representation of the world that I had come from.
However, since then, with some increasing budgets, again I still haven’t made a movie for more than $5 million, but I have at least gotten some dolly track and a couple of steady cam shots and fortunate enough to work with a great DP.
I think the two films that I’m probably most proud of with the overall look is a film I did called Purple Violets, where we do these gorgeous like what we call moving masters. It’s sort of one long take that covers a three page scene and Woody Allen is the master of those. We kind of adopted that style on that film and I think we really did a great job executing it.
Then Nice Guy Johnny, it’s the first film I shot using the RED camera and it gave us a different type of mobility and there are some images in this film that are just breathtaking.
R. Trunk Those RED cameras are the hottest thing right now.
E. Burns I think the RED camera is going to be a game changer for indie cinema. You can – they’re small; they’re not terribly expensive compared to a film camera. You can go out with almost no lights and make a pretty great looking film. We’ll see if I’m right about that.
R. Trunk The future of cinema.
E. Burns Yes, yes. No, I think you’re right.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Stevie Wilson
S. Wilson Hi my site is L.A. Story.com.
It’s interesting that given that now that the Tribeca Film Festival is really doing something groundbreaking going virtual, how much more it will drive people, particularly film students into wanting to participate and understanding the need for small films? I’m wondering what your thoughts are about that?
E. Burns About young filmmakers getting interested in small movies, is that the question?
S. Wilson Yes.
E. Burns I only hope. It’s funny, you know, when I was in film school that’s what we loved, whether it was Jim Jarmisch and Hal Hartley, or looking further back Truffaut and Louis Malle, or De Sica. We wanted to tell small personal stories. I think now the – at least it appears to me the kids that are really into film are into sort of maybe more like genre films whether it’s comic book stories or horror.
I don’t really know. Maybe all these things are cyclical and maybe it’ll just be a matter of time before young film students fall back in love with the small personal film. I don’t really know, but I hope so because that’s all I really enjoy watching.
S. Wilson To me I would think that the world the way films are going now in the industry as a whole, that blockbusters seem to be what everybody is hoping for but the industry can’t – and the economy doesn’t support it.
E. Burns Maybe what’s going to happen is given studios are focused on the giant tent-pole movies and that’s kind of all that they seem to be doing right now, and they will dominate the multiplexes with those, and I think deservedly so. You go to see Avatar and that is a pretty incredible experience in the theater.
Maybe now people are going to be watching movies on their iPads and their iPhones and a lot of people have flat screen TVs, or you can watch it on your laptop. You know, maybe the only place for those small personal films will be kind of this kind of virtual thing or home viewing or via the Web, which will force people to – if you’re not going to be financed by the studio you’re going to have to make a very low budget film. The genre that works best when you have no money are small talky films, so who knows, maybe this will start a little, a mini movement.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Lena Lamoray.
L. Lamoray Hi. Lena Lamoray.com.
L. Lamoray If you were to compare Nice Guy Johnny to your previous works, what are some of the elements that stand out that really speak to how much you’ve grown as an actor, writer, director, and producer?
E. Burns Acting-wise, I’d say it’s my best performance in one of my films and I say this kind of there are three reasons for that. One is I kind of wrote it toward my strengths I think as an actor and kind of wrote a part for a part of my personality that maybe I haven’t explored in my films before for me to play.
The second reason is I’ve just been doing it longer so kind of like any muscle the more you work it I think the more command you have over it. Primarily the biggest reason is in the film it’s about a bunch of 24-year-old kids and we wanted to find unknown actors. I kind of wanted to go back to whatever the magic was I was able to create with my cast in Brothers McMullen.
There was an enthusiasm on that film that I never sort of captured again or never felt on set again. With this film we went and we found Matt Bush, this actress Kerry Bishé and Anna Wood, and then even some of the supporting players who really had very little experience in front of the camera.
They’d all gone to acting school and stuff like that but what I found, for me as an actor was their enthusiasm and their love and appreciation for getting to act, to be in a movie, to be on set, it was infectious for me as an actor. Every scene I have I’m opposite this kid Matt Bush and he’s coming at you with everything he’s got and with such enthusiasm and love for it that there was no way – he was pulling like the best stuff out of me. I would credit him with that.
Writing, I think it’s my – say my most honest and personal film since The Brothers McMullen. Again I just kind of wanted to go back to like not really trying to be funny, sort of writing about people that I really knew intimately. Then as a filmmaker, again, it’s almost like the acting the more you do it the more confidence you have, the more you know what you need and what you don’t need. I think I’ve been working now with my DP Will Rexer, this is our fourth film together.
He and I really, I think, have grown together and I have a lot more faith and trust in him than I’ve had with any other DP. I kind of allow him to sort of push me now in a way that maybe I wouldn’t or didn’t in the past.
L. Lamoray Was the writing and filming process different from what you’ve approached on your prior movies?
E. Burns No, not really. I write every day. I’m pretty disciplined in that respect. I’m pretty tough on myself. Filming-wise, maybe the difference between this film and the last couple is we were a pretty small tight-knit cast and everyone got to know one another very well. Maybe there is a little bit more collaboration and input from the cast in this script than in films in the past.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Kim Farris.
K. Farris Hi, this is Kim Farris from ACED Magazine.
The question I have was somewhat touched on already earlier, but I wanted to dive a little bit deeper. You mentioned with Brothers McMullen the rejection letters and even the offer from your mother about getting a suit and getting a real job. Did you, whether it be at that point or earlier in writing films and directing and so forth, did you find yourself at such a low point ever that that idea really became a serious consideration? And what was it – was it something or someone that inspired you to continue to living your dream and continue to go for it and not to conform to what everybody else was saying?
E. Burns The low point probably was before we got accepted into Sundance I remember I had printed up my first resume since I had gotten out of college and gotten my first production assistant job. I had been a PA for four years at this same television show but, if you’re a PA for four years you’ve been a PA for three years too long probably.
I had put together a resume; I had taken a couple of scenes from my short films and from Brothers McMullen and kind of put together a reel and I was about to apply for a job at Comedy Central directing these things called bumpers, which is little things in between shows. That was probably the low point where I was like all right, this movie didn’t work. I’m out of money and I can’t – I’ve got to get a real job now, I’m 26 years old.
There was that. I always said to myself even if McMullen didn’t work the best bit of advice that I got was from my dad one day. I was pissing and moaning and complaining about all of the rejection letters and he said, “What’s the problem?” I said, “Well, nobody likes the movie. Nobody wants to buy it.” He goes, “You told me the 12 days that it took to shoot the film were the 12 best days of your life.” I said, “Yeah.” He goes, “Well, do it again. Just figure out a way to do it again.”
That was a real eye-opener for me. If anything sort of kept the dream alive it was that. I kind of said to myself I will keep trying to make these little $20,000 to $25,000 movies every three or four years until I’m 35. I figured I could make like three more of them. If one of them doesn’t work by the time I’m 35 then I will give up the dream. Fortunately we sold Brothers McMullen and here we are today.
K. Farris Fantastic. I guess for a follow-up is more of a statement than a question. Coming from an aspiring actor and writer as myself and others out there that are pursuing their dream and what they love, Nice Guy Johnny seems like a pretty inspirational film. You yourself are very inspirational, period. Just like continuing on and doing what you’re doing and being so successful. I say Bravo to you.
E. Burns Cool, cool. Well, thank you. It’s funny. I mean like when I sat down to right Nice Guy Johnny I don’t – my intention was not to sort of write a film that sort of was inspirational or even like close to anything that I had gone through, but it’s funny you know, like whatever those things are that are always in the back of your mind you know, as you’re writing they can’t help but find their way into your stories or screenplays or novels.
It wasn’t even until like we were shooting the film that I was like, oh wait, this is pretty personal. This kid’s 24; he’s in sports radio, but he’s making the same arguments I made as a 25-year-old kid. Anyway, thanks.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Ashley Henry
A. Henry My first question to you is about the movie that you’re doing and your character is Uncle Terry. Do you see him as the antagonist of the film or do you see him as someone who is helping Johnny reach his goals?
E. Burns He’s sort of like – he’s a mentor of sorts, but it’s almost like the devil on one shoulder and the woman he meets on this journey, played by Kerry Bishé, as sort of maybe the angel on the shoulder.
The interesting thing is like I think my character is a mentor that is always – he’s sort of the dumbest guy in the room. He’s always giving this kid terrible advice, but only at the end of the journey when he comes through and you see these decisions he’s made you realize like, oh, maybe the idiot knew something after all, if that makes any sense.
A. Henry Mm-hm. Okay. My follow-up question to you would be out of all the films that you have done which one would you absolutely, honestly say is your favorite other than Brothers McMullen?
E. Burns Obviously, well, hopefully you’re always madly in love with the one you just finished.
A. Henry Yes.
E. Burns I think Nice Guy Johnny is definitely my favorite because it is my most personal. Other than that Sidewalks of New York is hands-down my favorite.
Moderator Our next question in queue is from the line of Vincent Malucci.
V. Malucci I’m from BrainDeadRadio.com.
V. Malucci I have one question for you really that’s been kind of pinging in my head. I want to know, you have a really large body of work, well not really large, but an extensive body of work as an actor in general, and you’ve worked with a lot of living legends like Steven Spielberg, Sir Ben Kingsley, Robert De Niro. From all those experiences in your acting, how can you say that might have translated into your being a better director?
E. Burns Probably if you’re smart and you check your ego at the door when you work with one of those legends you use it as an opportunity to go to school. I think I’ve done that every time when I’ve gotten lucky enough to work with one of these guys. Spielberg, hands-down the most influential experience I’ve had to date. Watching not only his decision-making process but also how he communicates with his crew, but mostly how he communicated with the cast.
The one thing I took from him that changed how I deal with actors is we’re like two weeks into the shoot and he’s giving us two and three takes to do a scene and giving us no comments or notes after any of them. He was just like, “Okay, great, moving on.” Finally, after two weeks he finally after a third take asked us to do something different, after a fourth take, fifth take, sixth take. Finally at lunch we asked him like why today? How come you were sort of directing us today? He goes, “Well, today you didn’t know what the hell you were doing.”
He explained to us that especially given an ensemble he hires people that he knows what they do and expects them to do what they do on the day. He will give any actor three takes to figure it out. Some guys nail it on the first, some guys nail it on the second; most people find it by the third. If by the third you haven’t given him something that he likes then he’ll step in and sort of steer you back on course.
I know for me when I was making my first couple of films, I thought the director needed to direct so after every take I was giving the actor any kind of note or any kind of encouragement. Only since that experience did I realize, you know what, let them do their thing, they will figure it out. That is usually the case, I’ve found.
Working with De Niro or Hoffman, you just pick up little things like how they respond to a director and how they like to be spoken to, and the best way that they might receive a bit of criticism or when someone suggests just change. That was pretty informative to just kind of watch, Ah! I am not going to do it that way when I have to deal with an actor I’m maybe going to do it this way, the way that guy did it. So you learn those kind of things as well.
V. Malucci My follow-up for you, actually is kind of expanding on a comment you made earlier in the interview. You mentioned tent-pole films, the big summer blockbusters and extravaganzas, considering the kind of films that you make now, do you ever see yourself maybe 10 or 15 years down the road actually making a film with a $250 million budget and all these whiz bang special effects?
E. Burns You know, I really don’t. I have one script that we tried to get made a couple of years ago that was a sort of big period film set in turn-of-the century New York City. That’s something where I would have needed a lot of CGI but not the kind of effects that you would need if you’re going to be making an Ironman per se. I love those movies; I go to see a fair amount of them, but it was never – some guys write symphonies, some guys write folk songs. I think I write folk songs.
E. Burns Thank you. That was fun, really good questions. Guys, everyone who was on the call, thank you for caring about these small movies, we need it, so thanks. Great.
The films available On-Demand include the following:
strong>Climate of Change
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival. From the producers of “Food Inc,” Award winning actress Tilda Swinton narrates this inspiring documentary of a world of everyday people taking action to save our environment.
Sex Drugs Rock and Roll
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival. A portrait of British punk rock pioneer Ian Dury who was stricken with polio at a young age and defied expectations by becoming a founder of the punk-rock scene in Britain in the 1970s.
The Immaculate Conception of Little Dizzle
After he loses his high-paying job, Dory takes a gig as a night janitor in order to pay rent. Alone late at night inside a market research firm, he soon discovers the company is experimenting on their other janitors.
TiMER
If a device could guarantee love without heartbreak, would you want to know? Emma Caufield (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) stars in this brain teasing romantic comedy about falling in love. Also starring John Patrick Amedori (Gossip Girl).
The Wild Wonderful Whites of West Virginia
From Executive Producer Johnny Knoxville, this edgy and often hilarious look at a dying breed of American outcasts exposes the corruption, poverty, and West Virginia’s environmentally and culturally devastating coal mining culture.
Metropia
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival. Vincent Gallo and Juliette Lewis voice this award winning digitally animated thriller. Conspiracy abounds as Roger, guided by voices in his head, navigates an underground oil starved world.
My Last Five Girlfriends
A clever adaptation of international bestseller On Love, by Alain de Botton, in which Duncan is a young man determined to find the secret to a healthy, strong relationship. Along the way, he mines his last five doomed romances for clues.
Road, Movie
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival. From the producers of “Lost In Translation”. A young man with two old film projectors in the back of his antique Chevy discovers love, life and laughter on the back roads of India. Subtitled.
The Swimsuit Issue
Frederik and his friends join forces to create Sweden’s only all-male synchronized swim team and set their sights on the world championships in this oddball, comedic tale of courage and gender role reversal. Subtitled.
The Trotsky
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival. In this oddball comedy, high school student Leon Bronstein claims to be the reincarnation of 20th Century Soviet hero Leon Trotsky and is determined to bring new meaning to “Student Union”.
Kobe Doin’ Work
Spike Lee takes you up close and personal with Kobe Bryant, the NBA’s MVP of 2008. Followed by 30 cameras, Kobe puts his skills to the test as the Lakers take on the Spurs for the Western Conference title lead. An ESPN Film
Muhammed and Larry
The story of the legendary 1980 fight between Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes, in which Ali, the World Champion, was defeated by Holmes. The fight is seen by most to be the end of an era–one in which Ali was “The Greatest.” An ESPN Film.
The Birth of Big Air
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival and ESPN 30 for 30.
Producers Spike Jonze and Johnny Knoxville showcase the inner workings and exploits of BMX great Mat Hoffman, the man who gave birth to “Big Air.” With Tony Hawk.
Through the Fire
A look inside the life of Brooklyn basketball prodigy Sebastian Telfair as he decides between college and the NBA. A story of how the U.S. star-making industry exerts the pull of riches and fame on the talented and gifted. An ESPN Film.
The Infidel
Official selection of 2010 Tribeca Film Festival. An identity crisis comedy centred on Mahmud Nasir, successful business owner, and salt of the earth East End Muslim who discovers that he’s adopted – and Jewish.
Hellfighters
The Hellfighters, Harlem’s only high school football team and coach Duke Ferguson battle empty bleachers, scarce practice space and a ruthless Board of Education to play their way out of the ghetto, one touchdown at a time. An ESPN Film.
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